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Post by loui-mh on 31.05.18 17:32

@Halfar wrote:(Hmm in Germany nobody would pay 10e for Ultracide Worm)

Indeed dude! Very Happy
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Post by Halfar on 02.06.18 10:16

@loui-mh wrote:
@Halfar wrote:(Hmm in Germany nobody would pay 10e for Ultracide Worm)

Indeed dude! Very Happy

If anyone would ever need a playset of Ultracide Worm for this Price i would sell it immediately king
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Post by ELTP on 02.06.18 17:38

@Halfar wrote:A Price Guide is NEVER perfectly but it isn't even meant to be perfect.
Its just a direction, so that people can estimate cards.

(Hmm in Germany nobody would pay 10e for Ultracide Worm)
True, that's why this list is compiling Suggested Values and not Exact Prices.

If a person would need a M/NM Ultracide, it is likely that he would be willing to pay 8-12€ for it. Not many have been asking for it for a while. And when they are, they only need 1 or 2.


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Post by DeathOnion on 02.06.18 17:41

Problem is a lot of people base their selling prices off this list, which is problematic for buyers since a lot of these prices are highballs
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Post by ELTP on 02.06.18 18:43

Just politely remind those sellers that these are pretty much optimal case values (note, not necessarily prices) for single cards. Usually the price is somewhat lower but can also be higher. When selling in a more or les random lot, very rarely if never can seller expect to get a "full price" for the cards. To maximize profits, one has to sell separately but that means more effort.

We have discussed the state of this list with the board, and the prices will be adjusted this month.


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Post by äksä on 04.06.18 19:59

One solution could be this kind of google sheet.
(ignore the values and # errors/0)

We could have selected (trusted) valuators who get their own subsheet. Each valuator have permissions to modify only their own sheet. They can insert and modify their estimations at any time. And they don't have to give estimation to every single card - the ones they are familiar with is enough. The main sheet calculates average estimation of the valuators' estimations. New valuators can be added and old/trolling/abusive removed any time.
That would bring multiple perspectives to the valuations and allow more fluent changes.

Some additional features could be added. For example this version automatically converts the values to both EUR and USD.

What do you think? Smile
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Post by ELTP on 04.06.18 21:33

I like that idea very much, @äksä! Why did we not think of that before. The only challenge would be choosing those who could add their valuations there. I guess active DM sellers/buyers/traders would be a great start.

Please let me know if you are interested either here or via pm. Don't forgot to reason why you would be fitting and tell us a little bit of yourself while you are at it.


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Post by Halfar on 05.06.18 7:15

@ELTP wrote:I like that idea very much, @äksä! Why did we not think of that before. The only challenge would be choosing those who could add their valuations there. I guess active DM sellers/buyers/traders would be a great start.

Please let me know if you are interested either here or via pm. Don't forgot to reason why you would be fitting and tell us a little bit of yourself while you are at it.

Maybe we could also propose a candidate?

Everyone who have someone in their mind could PM you.
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Post by DeathOnion on 05.06.18 7:19

Maybe we could have value ranges instead of averages, like Ultracide Worm going from 5-10 rather than just 5 or 10. It would give everyone a better idea of price fluctuations!
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Post by loui-mh on 05.06.18 10:29

@äksä wrote:We could have selected (trusted) valuators who get their own subsheet. Each valuator have permissions to modify only their own sheet. They can insert and modify their estimations at any time. And they don't have to give estimation to every single card - the ones they are familiar with is enough. The main sheet calculates average estimation of the valuators' estimations. New valuators can be added and old/trolling/abusive removed any time.
That would bring multiple perspectives to the valuations and allow more fluent changes.

Yes, really nice idea! I like that option to include some traders/buyers/collectors who can value the cards and then we get an estimated price which changes by time. I really good idea imo Exclamation

@äksä wrote:Some additional features could be added. For example this version automatically converts the values to both EUR and USD.

Also I like the feature to display the prices in EUR and USD since most of us are coming from there, great idea @äksä!

Let me know if you need any information, could offer me.
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Post by ELTP on 05.10.18 10:12

Hi all! We have finally been able to publish the first version of our online evaluations! More evaluators will be added as soon as possible.

*THIS IS OLD NOW*
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uiESyMfCQ9AejJK_D_Izkxhrimwkc3Q1tFVSYzJQI3Y/edit?usp=sharing

Here's the updated list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RY6loSi-YmpUut7FNeelSZS2GZrxsMWx3ID5oRXwDco/edit?usp=sharing


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Post by _wkloh on 17.04.19 20:19

I have been looking and thinking for a while. TCG is not officially in print any more and card shops don't sell them. So there is no official secondary market to benchmark/stabilize card prices. What people will offer to buy/sell at, is absolutely entirely up to their discretion and a so-called 'price list' does not really need to be created.

I am speaking out on behalf of health of the whole game. I am an active player in Singapore in OCG and I believe many of us came from TCG backgrounds, and its all nice to be able to source out old valuable cards like an English Bombazar/Bolmeteus for very high prices. But i can't say the same for Japan as:

1) Bombazar has been banned and fetches no value at all. And he has been reincarnated into many different variations (Onimaru head which is way better)
2) Bolmeteus has been reprinted a hell lot of times and with the exception of the DM 06 OCG version, none of them fetch more than 4 Singapore Dollars at most (convert that into euros at your own leisure)

I have sourced out sellers in Singapore and I can honestly say all of them are ripping you off because they stand to profit too much from selling cards of high meta value. So that brings me to my next point: for the sake of your wallets, please do not buy English cards from my country.

Get the reprints from Japan, its the same damn card and they are so much cheaper. Otherwise, make a smart investment in OCG and enjoy the years of gameplay that has evolved from OCG Smile

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Post by Rishino on 17.04.19 22:24

^I’ve been having the exact same thoughts. The stupid monopoly on TCG DM cards is getting out of hand. I see people asking over 100$ for Bolmeteus and sometimes even crazier things like 1000$ DM-10 or 12 super rares. I sold a whole binder of relatively useless super rares for almost 300$ within hours, but according to ebay prices, I should have been able to get at least 700$
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Post by Halfar on 25.04.19 8:00

@Rishino wrote:^I’ve been having the exact same thoughts. The stupid monopoly on TCG DM cards is getting out of hand. I see people asking over 100$ for Bolmeteus and sometimes even crazier things like 1000$ DM-10 or 12 super rares. I sold a whole binder of relatively useless super rares for almost 300$ within hours, but according to ebay prices, I should have been able to get at least 700$


Yeah Bolmeteus for 100$ is way to much.
Ebay prices are mostly insanely high.

BTW: I updated my Values.
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Post by Rishino on 25.04.19 15:26

@Halfar wrote:
@Rishino wrote:^I’ve been having the exact same thoughts. The stupid monopoly on TCG DM cards is getting out of hand. I see people asking over 100$ for Bolmeteus and sometimes even crazier things like 1000$ DM-10 or 12 super rares. I sold a whole binder of relatively useless super rares for almost 300$ within hours, but according to ebay prices, I should have been able to get at least 700$


Yeah Bolmeteus for 100$ is way to much.
Ebay prices are mostly insanely high.

BTW: I updated my Values.

Someone on Carousell is asking 40$ for a damaged Bolmeteus. I wonder why DM has been able to maintain such a stable market besides nostalgia and scarcity
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Post by xephon on 30.04.19 17:01

You should notice how market manipulation works.
(disallowed in social societys)

If some are able to buy the worldwide stock of one item with small supply, where consumer can be expected, you're able to create demand and dict a price. SRs for example.
If the consumers accept it by buying it, the average price of that item will raise over time.
Another way is buying your own item to legitimate your price. Consumers just see some are actually paying that, what raises acceptance unjustified.

The only thing you can do about speculative merchants is to not accept insane prices by not buying it. Send your price, tell him you will wait and pay, and hope for months.. cause the "bull" runs since like 5 years, and hidden prices had been established among the dealership, i guess.
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Post by OcaVan on 01.05.19 8:54

It's either that people are so despereate and crazy about a card they want that they can not wait anymore. Xephon is right! But all this isn't a real surprise anyway about how prices can develope
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Post by Rishino on 11.05.19 10:23

@OcaVan wrote:It's either that people are so despereate and crazy about a card they want that they can not wait anymore. Xephon is right! But all this isn't a real surprise anyway about how prices can develope

It's a surprise giving the fact that the game has been dead for 13 years Razz

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